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The tag alias dark_skin_female -> dark_skin has been approved.
create alias dark_skinned_female -> dark_skin
This tag has recently been populated again (exclusively by a single user) so I thought it would be best to get it out of the way.
EDIT: The bulk update request #1795 (forum #150217) has been approved by @Hillside_Moose.
Updated by DanbooruBot
Hi, the user in question here! There is a dark_skinned_male tag. There is no reason not to have a dark_skinned female tag, especially when it helps refine search capability when someone is specifically looking for dark-skinned women in combination with another specific preference, as opposed to just an undifferentiated mass which includes men.
dark_skin -dark_skinned_male would do that for you, and before you say that Member level users only can search with two tags at a the same time, that is not a valid reason to make a tag. We also have male_* only versions of other tags like male masturbation, male pubic hair and the obvious male focus, the reason we have a male version and not a female version is that the female part is way more common so we rather tag the exception.
No, it would not. As you say, not only does it use up a tag, thereby limiting flexibility of search, if you follow those tags, you will get a dark-skinned male right smack in the middle of the results. Rules and guidelines on tagging support the creation of tags to reduce ambiguity, and I argue that dark_skin as it stands is a massive ambiguity. I think that reducing the ambiguity would be substantially beneficial.
Yes, a dark_skin -dark-skinned_male search will only gives you images of dark-skinned females, if it doesn't that's a tagging mistake and not something wrong with the tag or search. This is not the only tag that you have to combine with other tags to get more precise results and yet we still have those other tags, not many searches need 6 let alone 12 tags in the first place.
The bulk update request #1795 (forum #150217) has been approved by @Hillside_Moose.
We generally avoid female-specific tags because female characters are the majority on Danbooru. Notice that we don't have tags like tanned female or nude female either. If you really want to avoid dark skinned male, I would suggest blacklisting it.
Unbreakable said:
dark_skin -dark_skinned_male would do that for you, and before you say that Member level users only can search with two tags at a the same time, that is not a valid reason to make a tag. We also have male_* only versions of other tags like male masturbation, male pubic hair and the obvious male focus, the reason we have a male version and not a female version is that the female part is way more common so we rather tag the exception.
There is a female pubic hair tag.
忍猫 said:
There is a female pubic hair tag.
Disregarding if that tag should exist or not, according to the wiki it's only for images where the female has pubic hair and not the male which sounds kinda weird?
忍猫 said:
There is a female pubic hair tag.
Unbreakable said:
Disregarding if that tag should exist or not, according to the wiki it's only for images where the female has pubic hair and not the male which sounds kinda weird?
Agree with Unbreakable here. Just because someone populates a tag or creates a wiki unbeknownst to the community (cause we're not omniscient), doesn't mean that that tag should exist according to the way we do things here. There are plenty of tags that we nuke like that when we find them.
Also, +1 for nuking that tag.
There was already a dark skinned male -> dark skin implication. So combined with this dark skin / dark skinned female alias, that means images including only dark-skinned males will show up when you search dark skinned female. This seems a little odd to me. Are there other examples of aliases like this on Danbooru?
(Sorry about bringing up an old discussion - if that's discouraged around here, then feel free to move this to a new topic.)
thfan121 said:
There was already a dark skinned male -> dark skin implication. So combined with this dark skin / dark skinned female alias, that means images including only dark-skinned males will show up when you search dark skinned female. This seems a little odd to me. Are there other examples of aliases like this on Danbooru?
(Sorry about bringing up an old discussion - if that's discouraged around here, then feel free to move this to a new topic.)
A dark_skinned_female -dark_skinned_male search will only give you images where a female is dark-skinned unless they are tagged wrong.
Unbreakable said:
A dark_skinned_female -dark_skinned_male search will only give you images where a female is dark-skinned unless they are tagged wrong.
I did realize that, but my concern here is more about the intuitiveness of the dark_skinned_female alias, rather than what's possible to search. A dark_skinned_female search appears to specify 'female', so I would not expect that search to get results with a sole male subject such as post #3534609 (which is a result because it is correctly tagged as dark_skinned_male). Does that make sense?
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I guess it comes down to the fact that we don't have a system to communicate to less informed taggers "don't use this tag" aside from aliasing it to something else. Sometimes it results in oddness like this, but unless someone wants to take the development effort to create a third category of "prohibited tags," it'll probably remain the status quo.
7HS said:
I guess it comes down to the fact that we don't have a system to communicate to less informed taggers "don't use this tag" aside from aliasing it to something else. Sometimes it results in oddness like this, but unless someone wants to take the development effort to create a third category of "prohibited tags," it'll probably remain the status quo.
Fair enough, I thought it might be something like that but I wanted to make sure.
I have not seen a female alias on similar cases like toned_male -> toned, but I'm guessing the alias is added on a case by case basis depending on how often taggers make the mistake. I agree that a 'prohibited tags' category could be a better solution.