Aliasing demon_wings -> bat_wings.

Reason: Used to describe the same type of wings. I like bat_wings aliased to demon_wings, but bat_wings seems to be more popular.

The question I always ask first, is there an exception to this proposal (ie demon looking wings that aren't bat wings)? Looking through the demon_wings tag, it would for the most part be no. There are though a few that will need to be moved to the black_wings tag, and some that are imo hard to say look bat-like (such as post #453978). While I'm at it, I also have trouble labeling Flandre Scarlet's wings bat_wings as well (ex: post #473075).

Do demons have specifically bat wings? I'd say this alias is far too broad.

Its a specific visual style, if a particular demon has wings that aren't the traditional "demon wings", then they wouldn't be tagged as such.

NWF_Renim said: While I'm at it, I also have trouble labeling Flandre Scarlet's wings bat_wings as well (ex: post #473075).

They're neither bat wings nor demon wings in my mind. There's no real way to cover them other than plain old wings.

Christmas wings!

Demon wings often have talons and are usually more stylized and slick.

I would restrict bat wings to things that actually look like bat wings, (i.e. a membrane sustained by elongated fingers and nothing else)

That seems like a reasonable distinction to me.

It can be hard to tell them apart but if someone wants to maintain those tags, I don't mind keeping them separate.

The problem with keeping the two tag separate is that, just as you have trouble telling them apart, so does most of the userbase, which will predictably be far less thorough than an admin in figuring out which is which.

And the distinction is just silly. The staggering majority of the bat_wings tag are demon girls or the like, keeping the two tags separate based on whether they have a visible talon at the end or not, which is a completely arbitrary made-up distinction, seems pretty stupid. Nevermind the fact that a lot of the bat_wings tag does have the all important talon anyhow.

Ephyon said:
And the distinction is just silly. The staggering majority of the bat_wings tag are demon girls or the like, keeping the two tags separate based on whether they have a visible talon at the end or not, which is a completely arbitrary made-up distinction, seems pretty stupid. Nevermind the fact that a lot of the bat_wings tag does have the all important talon anyhow.

Why not make demon_wings the main tag, then? Since they are mostly demon girls and goes along with related tags like demon_tail, I think that would be preferable. bat_wings should be reduced only to those girls that are specifically bat-related rather than demon/devil-related (are there any, anyway? Tag is pretty large so takes a while to check...)

Consider the lack of hierarchy of the tag structure. If you wanted a demon with wings you would search for demon_girl and wings the style being arbitrary. While I can see the desire to quantify everything, keep in mind the very nature of the tag based organizational scheme, where many nondescript tags can add up to be very descriptive.

eric.carson said:
Consider the lack of hierarchy of the tag structure. If you wanted a demon with wings you would search for demon_girl and wings the style being arbitrary.

That won't work because we don't (and shouldn't) tag every single character with these wings as "demon_girl". It just wouldn't necessarily fit in every situation.

jxh2154 said:
That won't work because we don't (and shouldn't) tag every single character with these wings as "demon_girl". It just wouldn't necessarily fit in every situation.

You misinterpret me. Say I was looking for a female with wings, I would search wings given that the vast majority of images on Dambooru are female. If I wanted a demon girl without wings I would search demon_girl -wings. And if I wanted a demon girl with wings: demon_girl & wings. What about a non demon girl? -demon_girl wings.

You see how the combination of broad classifiers eliminates unwanted results?

I consider demon_wings as not exactly like bat_wings, but any sort of wings that sport a nonstandard, "corrupted" look of some kind, as in post #435442.

eric.carson said: You misinterpret me. Say I was looking for a female with wings, I would search wings given that the vast majority of images on Dambooru are female. If I wanted a demon girl without wings I would search demon_girl -wings. And if I wanted a demon girl with wings: demon_girl & wings. What about a non demon girl? -demon_girl wings.

That doesn't help us figure out how to differentiate bat and demon wings.

That we've failed to reach any sort of consensus on how demon_wings are different from bat_wings is a pretty good indicator that demon_wings is currently insufficiently descriptive to serve any real purpose.

To my knowledge, I've never encountered a work describing a bat as having "demon-like wings," but I know I've seen demons or gargoyles described as having "bat-like wings." I also know that bats are real objects. We can observe them, categorise them, and draw them into our collective context for reference; demons, winged or otherwise, not so much.

So I support the original alias of demon_wings -> bat_wings
Additionally, I would propose we consider something to the effect of unusual_wings or similar if we feel the need to further define outliers like Flandre_Scarlet. The assumption here is that feathered wings are normative, correct?

What about demons with skeletal wings?

Just because we haven't come to consensus on how something is different doesn't mean it isn't. eric's posts did not help the situation.

An alias is a huge task and a massive amount of data loss that cannot be easily undone and should not be done lightly. At the very least give it a few more days, not every tag definition comes to everyone at once.

tl;dr: Reproposing the original alias doesn't help things.

edit: I'm thinking demon wings are something like non-traditional colors (non-black/tan) with a spike rather than thumb.

Sachiko said:
What about demons with skeletal wings?

I would have no qualms tagging those as just that: skeletal_wings.