You know what? I think Mario won't change his mind, even *if* he of course prefers the fem version of Bowser. I dunno, I just don't see someone like Mario jumping shifts on the go like that.
But of course the artist could be a cruel jerk (like most of us are) and make it so he rejects her, leading to Bowser and Peach making up, ending up with them 2 happy and Mario denounced as just a greedy guy that pretends to be a hero... which is kind of cliché by this point.
You know what? I think Mario won't change his mind, even *if* he of course prefers the fem version of Bowser. I dunno, I just don't see someone like Mario jumping shifts on the go like that.
But of course the artist could be a cruel jerk (like most of us are) and make it so he rejects her, leading to Bowser and Peach making up, ending up with them 2 happy and Mario denounced as just a greedy guy that pretends to be a hero... which is kind of cliché by this point.
idk with how peach was portrayed in the wedding part, she's a pretty damn cold hearted bitch. her whole reasoning for not taking mario's offer (in this comic) is selfish and manipulative I kinda doubt the artist would take it on a route that would just back track to the same old joke of peach is really screwin bowser on the side and mario is the hapless fool that is used to spice up the sex with the "rescue" of the princess. Also one thing I've noticed about this meme trend is that a lot of people have been pointing out things about peach that I thought about Every Single Time I beat any of the super mario games where she's kidnapped and needs to be rescued. Mario ends up running across countless levels, faces boss battles, tricky puzzles, and an endless wave of quests and what dose he get in the end? a shallow thank you and a cake with the ever present cold shoulder from peach. Hell look how peach reacted at the end of super mario odyssey she rejects both of them goes to take off and then calls for them both to just chase after her. After all that when your back to the mushroom kingdom she's gone, Why was she kidnapped again no shes off on her own globe trotting adventure at her own pace without even telling anyone. as far as I see it in all of the bowsette fan art that depicts peach either loosing her mind of hounding after bowsette after the change, to me shows that she's manipulative and narcissistic sorry for the rant but this meme brought up a subject I've been wanting to debate for a while now
idk with how peach was portrayed in the wedding part, she's a pretty damn cold hearted bitch. her whole reasoning for not taking mario's offer (in this comic) is selfish and manipulative I kinda doubt the artist would take it on a route that would just back track to the same old joke of peach is really screwin bowser on the side and mario is the hapless fool that is used to spice up the sex with the "rescue" of the princess. Also one thing I've noticed about this meme trend is that a lot of people have been pointing out things about peach that I thought about Every Single Time I beat any of the super mario games where she's kidnapped and needs to be rescued. Mario ends up running across countless levels, faces boss battles, tricky puzzles, and an endless wave of quests and what dose he get in the end? a shallow thank you and a cake with the ever present cold shoulder from peach. Hell look how peach reacted at the end of super mario odyssey she rejects both of them goes to take off and then calls for them both to just chase after her. After all that when your back to the mushroom kingdom she's gone, Why was she kidnapped again no shes off on her own globe trotting adventure at her own pace without even telling anyone. as far as I see it in all of the bowsette fan art that depicts peach either loosing her mind of hounding after bowsette after the change, to me shows that she's manipulative and narcissistic sorry for the rant but this meme brought up a subject I've been wanting to debate for a while now
The simpler answer is that this is a fanfic where Peach is a Death Eater because that's what's required to set up the romance this artist wanted to ship.
That still supports the ultimate conclusion you make, however, that this is all just a way to throw some sort of dramatic tension into a story where the Mario and Bowsette ship fully sets sail. A breakup WOULD create a dramatic twist, but it would be in service to leading to some other resolution which would need to be dramatic in its own right, whereas trying to post-hoc add in drama to a plot that's already reached its resolution (Mario and Bowsette are ALREADY married and a couple) requires putting doubt into maintaining the status quo, so the more drama there is put into "will Mario keep accepting this", then by tropy logic, more likely it is he will.
The simpler answer is that this is a fanfic where Peach is a Death Eater because that's what's required to set up the romance this artist wanted to ship.
That still supports the ultimate conclusion you make, however, that this is all just a way to throw some sort of dramatic tension into a story where the Mario and Bowsette ship fully sets sail. A breakup WOULD create a dramatic twist, but it would be in service to leading to some other resolution which would need to be dramatic in its own right, whereas trying to post-hoc add in drama to a plot that's already reached its resolution (Mario and Bowsette are ALREADY married and a couple) requires putting doubt into maintaining the status quo, so the more drama there is put into "will Mario keep accepting this", then by tropy logic, more likely it is he will.
I'll agree keeping up with the fan fic some things are written just for this narrative but outside of it, and just focusing on all of the games, and the official lore. We see in every single game after everything mario goes through in the end to save peach be it from bowser some demonic sword, or even invaders from space or whatnot After everything is said and done he gets a thank you, some cake, and once in a blue moon a kiss on the nose, nothing else and for all of the reasons we hear in the games of peach gives bowser for rejecting his advances what sort of reason has peach ever given mario? There have been dozens of mario games throughout the years and each time he rescues the princess he gets nearly the exact same thing over and over again and the reason why I say nearly is because of the random kiss on the nose. nintendo won't give a definitive reason why peach doesn't accept mario's advances and frankly I don't think we'll ever get one cause they want to maintain mario's image as the selfless hero who goes through all this trouble and all that effort in saving one person after another before finally saving the coveted princess while ignoring the fact that maybe mario is tired of being the selfless hero, maybe he want's something more than thanks and praise, maybe he wants something other than just a cake for all of his efforts, Hell he's either borderline or full on diabetic with all that cake especially considering his diet of pasta and mushrooms. Sticking to official canon for the mario franchise lore the three main focus characters Peach, Mario, And Bowser are all where they were since the beginning Bowser kidnaps peach, Mario fights off bowsers army and lackeys beats up bowser and rescues peach. That formula has been going on for as long as I can remember and I've been around since the late days of the NES and frankly now that I'm older and can see things from all three characters perspective the whole formula is stagnant
This is the inevitable result of not characterizing the characters, and leaving it up to the player's imagination what happens next. I mean, yeah, they never get married, but that doesn't happen in Zelda games either, although it's much more clear that Link and Zelda are coupled in recent games. It's just left to your imagination that after that kiss on the nose, Mario and Peach retire to her chambers for him to enjoy eating her "cake" out all night long.
I mean, outside of Odyssey, there isn't even that much evidence that Mario even is romantically interested in Peach, either. Maybe he just really likes actual cake? Again, it's all left to your imagination what his personality is. He basically doesn't speak outside of "It'sa me, MARIO!", "WOOHOO!", or "Oh noooo!", and even in the Paper Mario games, he communicates through nodding and shaking his head while everyone else has spoken lines.
Likewise, you assume that Peach isn't interested in Bowser because he's a giant spikey fire-breathing turtle-dragon, but why is Mario supposed to be some sort of catch? He's a short, fat, hairy plumber who probably tracks squashed goomba guts in every time he enters a room. Maybe Mario's nearly as much of an asshole as Bowser, and his pushing that he's "owed" some "cake" from the princess all the time is a turn-off. Or, as some other commentators have pointed out, maybe she just seems to like spending time going golfing with Daisy just a little too much? It'd never be confirmed in canon in a series so ludicrously conservative in its gender representation that basically every female needs to be identified by being either pink and/or having a big hair bow slapped on them, even if they have no hair, but being a lesbian makes as much sense as any other explanation of Peach's behavior.
For that matter, maybe Mario's just a little too into his rivalry with Bowser. Most of the time in the New Mario games, Bowser doesn't seem to kidnap Peach for any reason other than to have an excuse to fight Mario. Mario's been notably cool to let Bowser come and play tennis or go go-karting with him. Who's to say Peach isn't just some beard they both make a big show of fighting over to turn aside doubts as to their own sexuality? (And again, Peach is just using them the same way to cover up her excursions with Daisy...) It's been long noted that Bowser, with his black leather and spikes is basically the picture of "hard gay", while Mario is basically a shorter variant of a "bear".
Also, keep in mind that Peach isn't necessarily saved by Mario. In many of the games, she can be saved by Luigi, and in many of the "New" Super Mario games, she can even be saved by a Toad. I'd love to see the ending where Peach accepts a marriage with Toad in the end. (Or even Toadette - possibly in Peachette form - in the next game.)
The ultimate conclusion is that you just shouldn't put too much thought into Mario "lore", because Nintendo doesn't give a damn about making a sane continuity the way that you can actually plot out a Legend of Zelda timeline, and the characters are utterly one-dimensional. Sunshine and Galaxy, alone, have tremendous "lore" ramifications that you just plain shouldn't think too hard about.
The story was stagnant practically from the start - something stole a pretty girl, so go rescue her. That just didn't matter in NES games because nobody had detailed plots in-game back then, anyway. It's just that any other series has tried to mix the formula up. The side-games like Paper Mario or Mario RPG do mix it up, often having Bowser as an ally. It's just that Nintendo deliberately stagnates with Mario because they want to reinforce the idea of Mario as a nostalgic property, which is why they constantly resell the exact same game.
alright ya made some pretty fair points but on account of leaving it to the imagination of the players well for me that sucks cause my brain jumps around a Lot from whatever book I've just read, what anime I was watching, or hell what project I'm working on in one of my hobbies, basically I'm one of those types that just needs a solid point a to point b kind of set up , well thanks for the civil debate
Yes, again. Since the power crown allows Toadette to have, and access new skills, moves and abilities, it must rewire neurons in the host brain. This would mean the change is not just in form, but much-much deeper into the anatomy, as it comes with knowledge and ability to perform tasks and activities not practiced by the host. So, then it stands to reason it alters brain chemistry.
Yes, again. Since the power crown allows Toadette to have, and access new skills, moves and abilities, it must rewire neurons in the host brain. This would mean the change is not just in form, but much-much deeper into the anatomy, as it comes with knowledge and ability to perform tasks and activities not practiced by the host. So, then it stands to reason it alters brain chemistry.
Maybe it is a parasitic entity.
That's... um... a wild logical leap.
I mean, the change is that someone who already has physically impossible/magic jumping powers gains extra magical jumping powers, which is less "new" and more "upgrade". Why is this suddenly something like becoming a conjoined twin with half the brain of someone else instead of being like someone picking up a gun gaining the new "moves and abilities" of "firing bullets at people"?
It's not like other power-ups don't involve similar levels of change - Bee Mario gains wings in addition to his regular arms and legs, and can flap them independently, and Wing Cap Mario similarly could physically control the wings on a hat as though they were his own limbs... and don't even get me started on Cappy.... Yet, none of these caused any noticable loss of Mario's identity.
I gather many hate him for instilling the doubt in Bowsette, but I really loved Kamek in this page. It made me think that the turtle wizard has served Bowser since the latter was born, he may have been the one to effectively raise him: what if he saw Bowser as not just his king, but a son? A son who has now, technically, gone through a gender change for the love of a man (who also previously antagonized for years). Kamek's words do not appear to be suggested by malice: he has accepted that and is always willing to support his monarch, but has still some difficulties adjusting, and his concerns both for Bowsette's and the reign's well-being are not completely unfounded.