Nazis not so much, since they never came near the power to take over the world, nor even ever wanted to
Yeah, maybe Mussolini and Hitler wasn't so bad guys at all. They actually fighting with "commie threat", "just missed" with jewish and Allies and the Eastern Europeans. Sounds logical.
Yeah, maybe Mussolini and Hitler wasn't so bad guys at all. They actually fighting with "commie threat", "just missed" with jewish and Allies and the Eastern Europeans. Sounds logical.
You can tell it to 27 millions of soviet people, who died back there. And how many people died/were injured in 2WW. For Leningrad (current St. Peterburg). The sity was blockaded for 872 days... For Stalingrad. The sity was almost completly turned to bloody hell For Oswensimб Buchenwald. How many died there?
You can tell it to 27 millions of soviet people, who died back there. And how many people died/were injured in 2WW. For Leningrad (current St. Peterburg). The sity was blockaded for 872 days... For Stalingrad. The sity was almost completly turned to bloody hell For Oswensimб Buchenwald. How many died there?
I believe MAyDay8's post was meant to be sarcastic. (Responding to "Soviets were the real threat" with "oh, yeah, the Nazis 'just missed' and 'accidentally' deliberately went around genociding the Jews".)
Claverhouse said:
Not really. I pointed out logistically they could not extend too far since even though simply a bandit-empire like the Mongols or Napoleon's, needing to drain each new conquest to pay for the next one, they could never hold enough resources. Fuck, the point is they couldn't even take over all the Russias.
They could never invade North America or Latin America or Africa. Only expansive ideologies can attempt universal conquest. Not the Romans nor the Mongols either, since their powers had limits.
I dislike how people seem to assume that any alternative history has to start at 1942. It was far from a forgone conclusion that America would enter the war on the Allies' side, as it was very much the deliberate machinations of Roosevelt who was ideologically anathema to the Nazis straining tooth and nail against a large contingent of appeasers and Nazi sympathizers within the United States and halls of Washington. (Much of the Nazi ideology had come from American race propaganda, especially from the likes of the KKK.) If FDR had died a decade earlier, America might never have entered the war and stopped all shipments to Britain, which would have given Germany a really good shot at actually winning the Battle of the Atlantic and starving the UK out, and likely winning in North Africa and taking the oil fields of the Middle East. Once there, the desperate supply shortage could have been reversed. It may not have been possible to just advance ceaselessly, but it's not like suddenly finding themselves well-fortified around a massive resource reserve would have ever left the Nazis appeased, they'd just take a couple years to build up their military and start expanding again.
You could talk about being unable to hold the land they held even if they had military victories... but a lot of the talk of resistance was myth. By far the strongest insurgent resistance to the Nazis came from Russian guerrillas, which is more to be expected when Nazi views of race held Slavs to be one of the lowest "races", and they turned out even more willing to genocide Soviet-territory civilians than even Stalin was. Most of Europe was willing to go belly-up to the Nazis, and much of the world was still under the thumb of colonialism. How much would an African or Asian care about the change of the small number of European overlords that take all the wealth changing from British or Dutch to German? In the words of The Who, "There's nothing in the streets that looks any different to me, and the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye. And the parting on the left is now a parting on the right, and the beards have all grown longer overnight."
How much would an African or Asian care about the change of the small number of European overlords that take all the wealth changing from British or Dutch to German
Just a small correction here: It didn't change from Dutch to German, it changed from Dutch to Japan
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