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Disambiguating/standardising lower-body limb lifting tags

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This topic is dedicated to the disambiguation and standardisation of the various tags that describe lifting legs and feet. But first, some perspective on why this is needed.

"One leg lifted up and away from the other leg so that they are spread wide apart: one in the air, the other resting."

The leg_lift wiki currently describes the kind of poses seen in post #3118262 and post #2854945. However, its non-intuitive/ambiguous name has led to it being used in place of legs_up, leg_up, knees_up, knee_up and feet_up, just to name a few.
While researching this, I discovered that all of these legs/feet tags with the "_up" suffix are as commonly misused as the others, with the only wiki standardisation being between legs_up and leg_up (and even that isn't 100%). I propose concretely defining and standardising all of these tags, and at the very least tag gardening the most recent posts featuring them so users who don't use wikis see the recent examples as correct rather than a mix of correct/incorrect.

legs_up

leg_up

leg_lift

knees_up

knee_up

feet_up

foot_up

heel_up

toes_up

For formalities' sake I'm mentioning top-down_bottom-up too but I think we can all agree that there is almost nothing that a user could confuse this with, except maybe a shirt_pull + skirt_lift combo - and even then a single cursory search should be enough to show what the tag is really for.

This big a project will require a large effort, but it's best if we grab it by the horns now rather than let it fester even longer until it's twice as awful a few years down the track. Your thoughts, input and suggestions are all very welcome, as is any effort you decide to put into tag gardening once everything is ready to start moving.

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I'm for keeping all the 3 above, leg lift and feet up/foot up.
They're pretty easy to distinguish and, manga/anime have a fondness for specific poses that involve each, which makes them very common and, again, easy to distinguish even for casual watchers. Also, it helps that the wikis were pretty clear too.
eg: girl's leg is lifted by the guy during sex || character lies on their stomach, with their feet up || etc.

As for another set, i've tried to make knee(s) up into a thing several times already - as a way to distinguish the images where characters don't just have their legs straight, and also for particular kicks - but they kept getting cleaned up or nuked.
So i don't know how much success they'll have now.

On the other hand, heel and toes up look like micro-tagging to me. As with something like nose, i wouldn't promote using them unless they're the main focus of the image, if at all.

keonas said:

I'm for keeping all the 3 above, leg lift and feet up/foot up.
They're pretty easy to distinguish and, manga/anime have a fondness for specific poses that involve each, which makes them very common and, again, easy to distinguish even for casual watchers. Also, it helps that the wikis were pretty clear too.
eg: girl's leg is lifted by the guy during sex || character lies on their stomach, with their feet up || etc.

I don't really underatand that point.
Leg lift apparently used to be a tag where the legs are up in a lying position, i.e. a position where the other leg doesn't hold the bodies weight.
If we switch leg lift with lying + legs up then that's one problem less. A Feet up looks like a search that could be covered by a on_stomach legs_up search. Almost all images feature the exact same post.

Less tags to garden is always a good option. Especially when tags seem to be replaceable by another search with a more common tag.

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Lacrimosa said:

I'd say to nuke leg lift and feet up/foot up.
Those three can all be expressed via leg up/legs up.

Opposed to retiring foot_up. It's newer than most of the other tags and unpopulated but it may be useful for differentiating between standing poses where only the foot is raised (post #2989385) and those where the entire leg is raised (post #3302929). Leg up alone isn't enough to accomplish this.

Also, maybe it's just me, but I feel that using leg up/legs up for kneeling poses is really awkward. How can you lift your leg when your weight is on it?? Tagging posts like post #3294121 and post #2908936 as foot up and feet up is much more intuitive.

iridescent_slime said:

Opposed to retiring foot_up. It's newer than most of the other tags and unpopulated but it may be useful for differentiating between standing poses where only the foot is raised (post #2989385) and those where the entire leg is raised (post #3302929). Leg up alone isn't enough to accomplish this.

Also, maybe it's just me, but I feel that using leg up/legs up for kneeling poses is really awkward. How can you lift your leg when your weight is on it?? Tagging posts like post #3294121 and post #2908936 as foot up and feet up is much more intuitive.

In the first post the weight of the body is still only hold by one leg. I don't know if the foot need to be higher than the knee for leg(s) up to apply. It's still a solid definition if we were to go with that.

For the rest, yeah seems about right.

Lacrimosa said:

I'd say to nuke leg lift and feet up/foot up.
Those three can all be expressed via leg up/legs up.

leg_lift is meant for posts where one leg is lifted away from the other non-lifted leg so they are spread apart. It's currently very misused but I'm quite sure that this stems from how similar the tag sounds to all the other limb-lifting tags, which is why I suggested raised_leg as the new name - it breaks away from that established naming format quite significantly.

That being said, it could quite possibly be a simple enough matter to nuke it and instead search for "leg_up spread_legs". I vote for it to stay, but I also understand why some might consider it unnecessary and I'd understand if it was just dropped entirely.

keonas said:

As for another set, i've tried to make knee(s) up into a thing several times already - as a way to distinguish the images where characters don't just have their legs straight, and also for particular kicks - but they kept getting cleaned up or nuked.
So i don't know how much success they'll have now.

knee_up and knees_up are supposed to be used only for sitting and lying characters. However, until now the only one that mentioned this in its wiki was knees_up, so that may be where the confusion stems from.

iridescent_slime said:

Opposed to retiring foot_up. It's newer than most of the other tags and unpopulated but it may be useful for differentiating between standing poses where only the foot is raised (post #2989385) and those where the entire leg is raised (post #3302929). Leg up alone isn't enough to accomplish this.

I considered this, but a quick glance at the most recent results for leg_up shows that most users (correctly) add this tag whenever the leg is lifted off of the ground whilst standing, regardless of whether the only raised part is the foot. That's why I think it's a good idea to have leg_up used for when the entire leg is lifted into the air while limiting foot_up to posts where only the leg below the knee is lifted off of a surface, which happens to almost exclusively limit it to posts where someone is kneeling or lying on their stomach.

foot_up has its share of mistags right now, but it has a vastly smaller amount of posts to garden than leg_up. This low post count also means it's very unlikely that we'd be trying to uproot any tagging habits ingrained into users' heads.

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