Danbooru

unaliasing monochrome > black and white

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Log

The alias is FROM black and white TO monochrome. All black and white pictures are monochrome. There is really no arguing that an image that consists entirely/99% one (mono) color (chroma) isn't monochrome.

That image isn't monochrome, anyways.

Nials

If it's used for characters wearing black and white clothing, then it still shouldn't be aliased to monochrome, right?
I was under the assumption that black_and_white referred to images in black and white, rather than the clothing.

ghostrigger

i have my doubts with the black_&_white (ampersand) tag. as far as the direction of the alias goes forum #28617 seems to answer it (by jxh2154, unless there's a new policy that supersedes this).

the black_and_white (and) tag is used in image composition.

the "ampersand" version with 77~ entries said it's applied to clothing, background, wings, etc. this would mean it's a superset of the images of the "and" version with 71245~ entries.

i doubt if this capture-all tag would make tag management and organization any better. just voicing an opinion.

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SystemXS

Nials said:
reason : not all monochrome pictures are black and white

Which is why monochrome isn't aliased to black_and_white.

black_and_white is aliased to monochrome because an image consisting of only black and white is considered monochrome.
Though technically, it's still grayscale, so if anything, black_and_white should be aliased to grayscale, which then implies monochrome. This looks like the only colour separation that's been made under monochrome, likely due to its popularity.
high_contrast grayscale would then handle things like post #542348. (Currently high_contrast monochrome works for this, and fulfills its role of including non-black monochromes, which it would continue to do with this change)

black_&_white relates to the concept of the two colours being opposed to one another in an image, as through the clothing colours of two characters or similar, and has no aliases or implications. It could maybe be renamed "black_vs_white".

Overall, I don't really see the problem?

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Log

Why is this thread bumped this has already been resolved multiple times.

Rampardos

Why is my post gone?

Also, no, it hasn't. It's aliased to monochrome which doesn't make any sense. It should've been implicated, instead.

We have greyscale, now, however, so that makes a simple fix.

The only problem is black & white. It doesn't make sense to have that tag when black and white exists as an alias for another. I suggested renaming that tag to black and white (theme) in my post.

Alignn

SystemXS said:
black_&_white relates to the concept of the two colours being opposed to one another in an image, as through the clothing colours of two characters or similar, and has no aliases or implications.

It could maybe be renamed "black_vs_white".

Was just about to suggest the same. "Vs" fits more with the tag's mention of opposition anyway.

ShadowPhalanx

jxh2154 said:
Removed black_and_white alias and made it imply monochrome.

Only except that doesn't make any sense, and encourages people to use the word loosely and wrongly. Something that is achromatic should not imply that it has any chroma...

If anything, the most logical implications concerning the palettes of each tag would go:

monochrome → greyscale
monochrome → black_and_white
greyscale → black_and_white (or ↔ if the meaning of black_and_white includes all shades and tints of gray; non-literal)

Rampardos

Your arrows are backwards. Both of these images are monochrome, but only one is greyscale or black and white. Monochrome should not be aliased or implicated to anything else.

SystemXS

jxh2154 said:
Moved black_&_white to black_vs_white, former is now empty.

Removed black_and_white alias and made it imply monochrome.

Wouldn't it be nicer to have it imply greyscale (which implies monochrome) than implying monochrome directly? I'd expect to find black_and_white posts with a greyscale search.
Or even alias black_and_white -> greyscale instead, as I suggested in my previous post? I don't really see its use when we have the more widely applicable high_contrast, assuming images are tagged correctly.

Rampardos

That's what I had in mind in my original post. I can't imagine black and white being applicable to too many posts if applied literally, so there doesn't seem much of a point to reserve it for that.

jxh2154

ShadowPhalanx said: If anything, the most logical implications concerning the palettes of each tag would go:
monochrome → greyscale
monochrome → black_and_white
greyscale → black_and_white

Why would monochrome imply black_and_white or greyscale? Monochrome here is not used only for black. Monochrome is the broader term here.

SystemXS said: Or even alias black_and_white -> greyscale instead, as I suggested in my previous post? I don't really see its use when we have the more widely applicable high_contrast, assuming images are tagged correctly.

We could do this, but I don't want to wipe black_and_white (again) without more discussion.

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