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Redhead?

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I'm not really sure if red hair should be an alias to redhead. A lot of the times I'm looking for things like post #165737 or post #260104 and all I get is pages and pages of Asuka, Kallen, Misty, Asuna and all kinds of other stuff that would be better served with orange_hair or pink_hair.
The fact is that "redhead" is a kind of natural hair in the real world and such characterization has no place in anime due to the existence of characters with actual red hair.
Right now, the tag is virtually useless.

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Misty and Asuna I can see as orange hair. Kallen and Asuka have red hair for sure though. I've always wondered by red_hair was aliased to redhead though.

I also think it should be red_hair, though not for your reasons. It's just more consistent. We don't use brunette or blonde either, it's brown_hair and blonde_hair.

surasshu said:
I also think it should be red_hair, though not for your reasons. It's just more consistent. We don't use brunette or blonde either, it's brown_hair and blonde_hair.

agreed. it'd be like aliasing "red_hair" to "ginger".

... unless we already do that.

homeless_homo said:
What? Lol

"ginger" is the trendy new term for "redhead". :p but I digress...

I think most people would search for the generic terms like "brunette" etc., but this isn't your average low-rate porn site. I've seen tags for things that I didn't even know had names. the specific tags make the site a lot better. I actually used "red_hair" on one of my uploads and was kind of bothered to see it aliased to "redhead"; it's just such a generic real-world (lol) term that doesn't apply itself very well to the art world, like memegui said.

hytone said:
it'd be like aliasing "red_hair" to "ginger".

No, that's more like if we alias "blonde_hair" to "aryan" or something. That would be REALLY crazy!

All the aliases go brunette -> brown_hair, blonde -> blonde_hair, it's just inconsistent that red_hair -> redhead.

I don't think the redhead -> red_hair alias should be made, it'll cause too much stuff to break, after all there are OVER 9000 posts tagged with redhead. Just delete the current alias and we'll rename redheads to red_hair when we have to as we find them. The point is that they are not synonyms. redhead will just be a tag for hair that looks like real life readheads, not quite orange hair yet not quite brown hair either.

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memegui said:
I don't think the redhead -> red_hair alias should be made, it'll cause too much stuff to break, just delete the current alias and we'll rename redheads to red_hair when we have to as we find them. The point is that they are not synonyms.

How are they not synonymous? I can't think of any practical situations when they wouldn't be. Maybe if the actual face is red? Still, I don't think anyone would tag that redhead.

You don't? Browse through redhead. Only a minor part of the pictures tagged with it refer to characters with actual red hair. And even if you don't include those those, a lot of them have a hair color that you can't be comfortable tagging with red_hair, brown_hair, orange_hair or pink_hair, because people tagged them with the real world concept of redhead, which in it self includes a variety of hair colors, according to Wikipedia it "varies from a deep orange-red through burnt orange to bright copper".
Examples:
Real world: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Alyson_Hannigan.jpg
Anime: post #270763
Can you characterize those hair colors with certainty as either RED hair or brown hair or something else?
I say let redhead exist as a semi-useful tag for hair that causes this ambiguity. We should try to retag it whenever possible to brown hair or another color though.
Redhead is not clear cut like brunnete and blonde that mean brown_hair and yellow_hair respectively or something very close to them.

We don't need to go into that level of detail. Reddish-brown, copper, burnt orange- all can be grouped under red hair. If its a shade of red, it's still red. If it's more orange than red, put it under orange hair. If it's more brown than red, it would be tagged brown hair. Pretty straightforward.

Also, remember that the tags aren't there to describe the image. You don't need to be told "there is someone with red hair in this image", because you can see that just by looking at it.

No, the tags are there to search for images matching the tag. For that reason, I think there's no problem to have two hair color tags even when there's only one person in the pic. For instance, I think post #264477 could (should?) be both red_hair and blonde_hair.

You shouldn't ask yourself "what is the most exact tag that describes this picture" but rather "what tag would someone use to search for this picture".

Agreed. Redhead shouldn't be aliased. It should be kept. People can add both "redhead" and "orange_hair", because lots of people will search for redhead.

But that's just my preference. I don't care much what is decided as long as I know what to search for.

As long as it's aliased, that's fine. If people search for redhead, they'll just get red_hair instead. For the dozen or so images that might be better suited with "orange hair" (I will never use that tag by the way as the distinction is negligible), someone can go through the red_hair tag and adjust accordingly.

It should be aliased.

bluishwolf said:
We don't need to go into that level of detail. Reddish-brown, copper, burnt orange- all can be grouped under red hair. If its a shade of red, it's still red. If it's more orange than red, put it under orange hair. If it's more brown than red, it would be tagged brown hair. Pretty straightforward.

But that's the thing, bluishwolf, people are always going to keep tagging posts with redhead because they aren't basing it on the color red, but rather the 'real world' red hair, which hardly resembles red. Besides, treating all shades of a color like one color is a bit reductive at times, that's why there's white hair and silver hair, blue hair and aqua hair, etcetera.
And like others said you can always tag a picture with more than one hair color so there's no problem with redhead existing, in fact, I think a lot of people search this tag not meaning to find red hair.

People are always going to keep tagging posts with sexy because they're idiots, but danbooru isn't known for bending to the will of the mob.

You are missing my point. "People will tag things as X" is not an argument. Set the standard and the people will follow. If they don't, correct them and/or chastise them if they persist. That's the way danbooru has tended to operate.

All that aside, my position is this: since for hair colors we have a standard x_hair (same for eyes), "redhead" shouldn't be an exception. brunette is aliased to brown hair, there's certainly no reason that redhead shouldn't be aliased to red hair.

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