Zelinkokitsune said:
Problem is either way we're doing it is going to confuse people.

I don't see how that would confuse people since we would just tag a name like we usually do, and at this point, I see no (good) arguments against the alias to shiki eiki in this thread.

S1eth said:
I don't see how that would confuse people since we would just tag a name like we usually do, and at this point, I see no (good) arguments against the alias to shiki eiki in this thread.

As you have said yourself, we do use titles in tags when that's how character is called officially. And she is called 四季映姫・ヤマザナドゥ pretty much everywhere. Not only in official works, but also by fans. See her pixiv tag as an example.
Also, dropping the title from our tag will be confusing for some people because, as I've already mentioned, she is called that way everywhere.

Personally, I would vote for shiki_eiki_yamaxanadu.

MyrMindservant said:

See her pixiv tag as an example.

Just to point out, that's not the only tag for her. The one you linked, 四季映姫・ヤマザナドゥ (Shiki Eiki, Yamaxanadu), has ~5700 works, while 四季映姫 (Shiki Eiki) has ~5400 works. So they're around the same in that regard.

MyrMindservant said:

As you have said yourself, we do use titles in tags when that's how character is called officially. And she is called 四季映姫・ヤマザナドゥ pretty much everywhere. Not only in official works, but also by fans. See her pixiv tag as an example.
Also, dropping the title from our tag will be confusing for some people because, as I've already mentioned, she is called that way everywhere.

Personally, I would vote for shiki_eiki_yamaxanadu.

That's because the Japanese have the benefit of four different writing standards to choose from. We have one. edit2-- And we don't have the benefit of commas here.

And a major reason she's called that everywhere is because of the confusion created by her name. I ended up going through 5 pages of search results over at TV Tropes just to clear out all the uses of Shikieiki Yamaxanadu.
edit-- And 10 pages to clear out all the uses of Shikieiki. Thankfully, more than half of it were in the forums.

Toks said:
Just to point out, that's not the only tag for her. The one you linked, 四季映姫・ヤマザナドゥ (Shiki Eiki, Yamaxanadu), has ~5700 works, while 四季映姫 (Shiki Eiki) has ~5400 works. So they're around the same in that regard.

I've checked 20-30 randomly selected images from 四季映姫 search and quite a few of them were also tagged with 四季映姫・ヤマザナドゥ. So I'm not sure we can use number of tagged works as an accurate indication of how widely these tags are used.

As for the wiki side, there are 四季映姫・ヤマザナドゥ, 四季映姫 and 映姫. Both 四季映姫 and 映姫 are appearing to be placeholder pages and pointing to 四季映姫・ヤマザナドゥ for full info. So it's pretty obvious which one is the main/primary.
As far as I can understand, they are also referring to 四季映姫・ヤマザナドゥ as her full name.

MyrMindservant said:
As you have said yourself, we do use titles in tags when that's how character is called officially.

I also said that we only do that when their full name is unknown (because they would otherwise be ambiguous).

MyrMindservant said:
As far as I can understand, they are also referring to 四季映姫・ヤマザナドゥ as her full name.

「四季」が苗字、「映姫」が名前で、「ヤマザナドゥ」（楽園の閻魔）は役職名である。
"Shiki" is the family name, "Eiki" the given name and "Yamaxanadu" (Yama of the paradise) the job title.

That's all it says about her name on that wiki.

I'm sure that my opinion means very little, but I support the removal of her title from her tag. I've had enough instances where I've referred to her as simply "Eiki", and received confusion, to feel that such a change is both necessary and welcome.

S1eth said:
That's all it says about her name on that wiki.

Thanks for the clarification. I admittedly was too lazy and didn't pay too much attention to the full article in 四季映姫・ヤマザナドゥ.

DarkSpar said:
I've had enough instances where I've referred to her as simply "Eiki", and received confusion, to feel that such a change is both necessary and welcome.

This only shows that other people don't recognize her by the (given) name alone. They are probably used to her title being mentioned, so removing it from the tag will create more of this very confusion you are talking about.

MyrMindservant said:
This only shows that other people don't recognize her by the (given) name alone.

And we have the power to change that. As it stands, people are already confused, they just don't know it. I'd rather cause temporary confusion to educate them in the long run then to leave them clueless (and wrong).

MyrMindservant said:
This only shows that other people don't recognize her by the (given) name alone. They are probably used to her title being mentioned, so removing it from the tag will create more of this very confusion you are talking about.

It won't create that much confusion if they can still search for her using the current tag. It's just that the current tag would become an alias and her actual name would become the primary tag. This will help prevent more people from falling prey to this out of hand misconception by introducing people who are still unfamiliar with her to her proper name.

S1eth said:
And we have the power to change that. As it stands, people are already confused, they just don't know it. I'd rather cause temporary confusion to educate them in the long run then to leave them clueless (and wrong).

Info about her name is already in the wiki, which is one click away, so it's pretty easy to get that information. I don't think we should care too much about lazy people than don't want to read.
But seriously, this problem is greatly exaggerated, only a small handful of people don't know about her name and title. This forum thread is actually the first time I've heard about such thing. Changing the tag to shiki_eiki_yamaxanadu should fix the issue.

MyrMindservant said:
But seriously, this problem is greatly exaggerated, only a small handful of people don't know about her name and title.

I disagree with this point. Many people are unsure of how her name works. "Eiki-sama" looked like a fan nickname, much like china and teruyo, until I found out about this. Until then, I had no cause to read the wiki to correct a misconception that I believed to be wrong, and others will feel the same.

Back on topic, I still stand by the example of osaka and kasuga_ayumu being enough to get rid of the title/non-name part of her tag.

S1eth said:
I see no (good) arguments against the alias to shiki eiki in this thread.

I agree, even though I'm pretty fond of shikieiki_yamaxanadu. Oh well, I'll live (and so will everyone else).

Purely for the sake of correctness, I'd change the tag and alias the former to the latter. With it properly aliased, tagging/searching integrity will not be affected at all. Nobody will have to learn anything new if they don't want to. It'll just work.

The only confusion will be from people who want to read it "the old way." I, for example, still type inubashiri_momizi instead of inubashiri_momiji, and everything still works fine through my unwillingness to adapt. With the revelation that we had her name wrong (in a minor way, but still wrong) the entire time, there's no reason not to correct ourselves.

My vote goes for full name with title - Shiki_Eiki_Yamaxanadu.

Soooo....

Are we in agreement that the tag alias should be reversed as there is no good reason to keep it as it is?

Really we're currently waiting for jxl to pitch in on this. Either he'll think it hasn't been resolved enough and ask something or he'll decide he's seen enough to make up his mind and apply one set of aliases.

The fact that we don't include other job titles like Profesor if we know the full name tips this in favor of just aliasing to shiki_eiki. I'm going with that.

Did:
create alias shikieiki_yamaxanadu -> shiki_eiki
create alias sikieiki_yamaxanadu -> shiki_eiki
create alias /syx -> shiki_eiki
create alias shikieiki_yamaxanadu_(cosplay) -> shiki_eiki_(cosplay)