Danbooru

Change [[ex-keine]] tag type to Character

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The EX-Keine tag refers to an alternate form of the character Kamishirasawa Keine, but is used as a general tag and uses an aqua-colored link. It should properly be formatted as a character tag and have a green-colored link. As an additional quirk, both tags list the same implication (ex-keine -> kamishirasawa_keine) twice when it only needs to be shown once.

Otherwise, I would like some clarification as to the use of the EX-Keine, Kamishirasawa Keine (hakutaku, and sukusuku hakutaku tags. For a related example of the issue, the former EX-Meiling tag has already been replaced with the Hong Meiling (dragon) tag, and I think the meanings of the tags I'm disputing are similar in nature. Unless I'm mistaken:

- Kamishirasawa Keine is the base character.
- EX-Keine is the character's canon alternate form, which changes from a blue to a green color scheme, and grows horns and a tail, but remains otherwise human (like other characters depicted in kemonomimi_mode).
- Kamishirasawa Keine (hakutaku) is for depictions of EX-Keine as a full hakutaku.
- Sukusuku hakutaku is for a particular cute-and-cuddly version of Kamishirasawa_Keine_(hakutaku) made by upg.

If this is the case, then the first three tags listed should be character tags, and the fourth should be merged into the third to eliminate redundancy. If not, please correct my mistakes.

One thing I should note is that sukusuku_hakutaku is used for other characters drawn in the same style, so it definitely needs to remain its own blue tag.

I'm really not sure why ex-keine is still a general tag after all this time; if nothing else there needs to be some consistency among all similar cases. I recall briefly bringing it up during a discussion of the tagging of verniy_(kantai_collection), it makes no sense for that to be a character tag and ex-keine not.

Back in the day we had one user pushing to change secondary character tags to blue because it messed with chartags: searches. After said user left the site, we've silently reverted back to the old way because it makes logical sense and it's easier than having to remember a list of exceptions to the rule.

With the refinement of the #gender and solo/solo_focus tags, I'd say there's enough granularity for people to find a specific number of bodies in an image.

RaisingK said:
See topic #3561 and topic #8454 for earlier discussion.

tl;dr for convenience: character variant tags such as ex-rumia, ex-keine, inu_sakuya, okamisty, vocaloid *_(append) etc. were made blue gentags rather than green chartags; to prevent issues with the chartags:n metatag search. Since these variant tags all already implicate to the tag for the 'regular'/'base' character, making them green would cause double-counting of the same character in an image for the purposes of searching.

I'll admit, I kind of liked it that way since it's still more 'strictly correct' and flexible than Mboys/Ngirls (e.g. how to find 3 chars, any gender?) but then again such use cases are few and likely to be needed only by power users. Like Hillside Moose says, it's certainly be more intuitive for the general user base to see these tags in green, it jives with how they understand tag color coding, rather than all these exceptions for the sake of one metatag.

If we're switching these to green character tags, might as well do all of them (and I'm sure others can think up of even more of them)

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I'd consider kamishirasawa_keine_(hakutaku) to be an animalized character variant tag, e.g. reiuji_utsuho_(bird), mystia_lorelei_(bird), inubashiri_momiji_(wolf) - however these all have active implications to the respective base characters. In this case, kamishirasawa_keine_(hakutaku) should probably implicate ex-keine rather than kamishirasawa_keine, though. Incidentally, shameimaru_aya_(crow) also lacks an implication to the base character.

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Lynx190 said:
One thing I should note is that sukusuku_hakutaku is used for other characters drawn in the same style, so it definitely needs to remain its own blue tag.

Yes, much like takoluka or su----per_cute which also outgrew the first character to be depicted that way, these are better thought of as memetic character design/mutation, in the vein of yukkuri_shiteitte_ne.
Therefore, sukusuku_hakutaku should stand as a general tag without alias/implication to any other keine tags.

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So, coming back to the question, since no one's really answered it directly:

FlameTroll said:
I would like some clarification ... Unless I'm mistaken:

If this is the case, then the first three tags listed should be character tags, and the fourth should be merged into the third to eliminate redundancy. If not, please correct my mistakes.

The first three should be character tags (green), but the fourth should not be merged, it stands as a visual meme (general) tag on its own.

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FlameTroll said:
As an additional quirk, both tags list the same implication (ex-keine -> kamishirasawa_keine) twice when it only needs to be shown once.

There are in fact two duplicate implications active: #361 & #898 ... not sure why though.

Thank you for your help, guys. r0d3n7z, thank you for clarifying that sukusuku_hakutaku is no longer limited to EX-Keine and confirming the other tags. However, searches based on number of character tags might still have some wrinkles to iron out. A search for (fake tags used as examples) a Character_Name_(alternate_form) can return posts tagged with both Character_Name (due to tag implications) and Character_Name_(alternate_form) and only show one character (the alternate), or a search for a different Character_Name with missing implications/aliases can return posts tagged clone, dual_persona, multiple_persona, or time_paradox that display multiple versions or copies of the same character. Xboys, Ygirls, and CharTags:Z aren't perfect. Then again, neither am I, and my perfectionism has gotten me in trouble before, so I'll stop now and gratefully accept your responses so far. (I'm not used to such quick responses in forums yet!)

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