lordoflord said: Why can't he just let himself die? I read somewhere that his would would be a good thing, but his followers don't want him to dead for some reason.
Space is an ocean, the forces of Chaos are a bad storm, and he's the lighthouse (what, you thought the halo was just for Christian reference?). If he kicks it, he might be reincarnated and/or ascend to full Godhood and get the power to save everybody... but reliable troop movements and coordinated defenses would become impossible without His beacon, causing everybody to die horribly before he finishes ascending/reincarnating.
If you haven't noticed, it isn't a terribly happy setting.
HaroldRowsdower said: Space is an ocean, the forces of Chaos are a bad storm, and he's the lighthouse (what, you thought the halo was just for Christian reference?). If he kicks it, he might be reincarnated and/or ascend to full Godhood and get the power to save everybody... but reliable troop movements and coordinated defenses would become impossible without His beacon, causing everybody to die horribly before he finishes ascending/reincarnating.
If you haven't noticed, it isn't a terribly happy setting.
Taking a look at it, isn't that better? People are sacrificed by the mass (If I remember correctly), and no one is really happy. Why not let him become a true God and have everything start over or something.
lordoflord said: Taking a look at it, isn't that better? People are sacrificed by the mass (If I remember correctly), and no one is really happy. Why not let him become a true God and have everything start over or something.
Safe to say, the Emperor coming up again would cause more problems.
The lore is really inconsistent about the setting, but examining things, the Imperium is doing better in some ways. Some old technology is coming up again (Vanquisher-pattern Lemun Russ) and Abaddon is a shitty threat as far as they go (with hints as of late that he is starting to make some powerful enemeis in the Warp, with his constant failures to do much of anything).
At any rate, The Imperium would do without a great schism if the Emperor comes up (if its even the Emperor on the golden throne!)
Another idea is that the process of reincarnation would leave the Emperor vunerabe to corruption. The Chaos gods were only beginning to really manifest when the last time the Emperor reincarnated. Now they're utterly out in force with a new member added into their ranks.
Steak said: Another idea is that the process of reincarnation would leave the Emperor vunerabe to corruption. The Chaos gods were only beginning to really manifest when the last time the Emperor reincarnated. Now they're utterly out in force with a new member added into their ranks.
It's not safe for him to die.
It can also be argued that the Imperial Creed, as close-minded as it is, greatly aids the Imperium's resistance to Chaos. Open-mindedness tends to translate to, "Imma gonna worship some Dark Gods" and that ruins the fun for everybody.
XziebertX said: but the Emperor DO have to drink a billion psyker sacrifice juice each day
That's actually an outdated info. It comes from a Rogue Trader and we all know (or at least those of us who are really into W40k) how much the lore was changed and rewritten since then. And, afaik, this concept wasn't mentioned in latter Rulebook editions and codexes.
Also the warp travels and communication is most certainly not impossible without the Astronomican. The fact that they were commonly practiced even before its creation proves that. Less efficient, slower and more dangerous, yes, but not impossible.
saviliana said: I don't think we need to put this in pool"I am the KING". Emperor of Mankind is Emperor of Mankind,not just a king but a greater more than that.
That's a lot of words for, "I'm a Heretic, kill me."
MyrMindservant said: That's actually an outdated info. It comes from a Rogue Trader and we all know (or at least those of us who are really into W40k) how much the lore was changed and rewritten since then. And, afaik, this concept wasn't mentioned in latter Rulebook editions and codexes.
Also the warp travels and communication is most certainly not impossible without the Astronomican. The fact that they were commonly practiced even before its creation proves that. Less efficient, slower and more dangerous, yes, but not impossible.
Important to note that they were practiced in a time where the Imperium was much, much smaller and not under siege from everyone.
To give an example though of how the lore changed, the very first 40k codexes basically had what we associate as being in the warp, i.e. chaos, as only being within the eye of terror. I honestly don't know if that's still the case, but there were things inside the warp and all, but nothing like it is now.
That and Chaos wasn't the plot tumor that it is now.
Xhydralisk said: That's a lot of words for, "I'm a Heretic, kill me."
I think we all who know who the heretic is, xenos-lover.
Well the Golden Throne seems to start to fall apart and the Mechanicus can't fix it anymore.So if they want it or not the Emperor will die for good sooner or later.Whatever happens then will be up to Games Workshop i guess :D
MyrMindservant said: Also the warp travels and communication is most certainly not impossible without the Astronomican. The fact that they were commonly practiced even before its creation proves that. Less efficient, slower and more dangerous, yes, but not impossible.
Where the ship goes / what happenes in Event Horizon is pretty standard fare, if not actually fairly low key, in terms of what happens to vessels that travel the warp without a beacon / Gellar Field generator.
Yuu-chan said: Well the Golden Throne seems to start to fall apart and the Mechanicus can't fix it anymore.So if they want it or not the Emperor will die for good sooner or later.Whatever happens then will be up to Games Workshop i guess :D
As you said, the throne is having subtle failures, and its a very very ancient technology, so there is no way of repairing it, as only the empereror itself knows how it works. We can only speculate what is the worst possibly scenario after his death, and most probably see it happening, warhammer has never been know for it happiness.
silver-alex said: As you said, the throne is having subtle failures, and its a very very ancient technology, so there is no way of repairing it, as only the empereror itself knows how it works. We can only speculate what is the worst possibly scenario after his death, and most probably see it happening, warhammer has never been know for it happiness.
According to Tzeentch when the throne finally gives out the emperor is going to become a true god. Being Tzeentch this both terrifies and thrills him at the same time
cokerpilot said: According to Tzeentch when the throne finally gives out the emperor is going to become a true god. Being Tzeentch this both terrifies and thrills him at the same time
Because, of course, Tzeentch is a perfectly reliable source of information.
UD said: Where the ship goes / what happenes in Event Horizon is pretty standard fare, if not actually fairly low key, in terms of what happens to vessels that travel the warp without a beacon / Gellar Field generator.
Aren't Gellar Fields internally generated by the ship? If anything, travel in the warp without the Astronopecan will be impossible due to the lack of directing force rather than lack of protection.
Canonically, the Chaos Gods are insanely powerful, and the trouble you see them causing within Imperial space is what they're like with the Emperor suppressing them. Even when he's mostly dead, his power is still strong enough to keep the Ruinous Powers at bay throughout almost the entire galaxy. If he is allowed to die fully, that protection is gone, and even a moment of unprotected exposure to the Ruinous Powers is doom to anything but an anti-psyker.
sgcdonmai said: Canonically, the Chaos Gods are insanely powerful, and the trouble you see them causing within Imperial space is what they're like with the Emperor suppressing them. Even when he's mostly dead, his power is still strong enough to keep the Ruinous Powers at bay throughout almost the entire galaxy. If he is allowed to die fully, that protection is gone, and even a moment of unprotected exposure to the Ruinous Powers is doom to anything but an anti-psyker.
Well, canonically, they also can't kill the GK chapter master who's already in their realm...I'd say that casts alot of doubt to their godly awesomeness.
klauth said: Well, canonically, they also can't kill the GK chapter master who's already in their realm...I'd say that casts alot of doubt to their godly awesomeness.
I like the theory that goes around the web that the gods keep him there because he's fun to play with. Given that he can't ever fully leave the warp no matter how much he tries, it's a rather likely one too.
keroko said: I like the theory that goes around the web that the gods keep him there because he's fun to play with. Given that he can't ever fully leave the warp no matter how much he tries, it's a rather likely one too.
While it's a certainty Draigo's a plaything of Tzeentch and Slaanesh I wouldn't be sure of Nurgle (remember, the bad man burned Papa's flower bed) or Khorne (c'mon spilling the blood of a very worthy opponent), so I'd still think it's a half-half theory, maybe, Tzeentch and Slaanesh keeping him alive for sh*ts, giggles and the thrills, while Khorne and Nurgle sending their enraged minions against Kaldy. *cue Scooby-doo chase scene*
While it's a certainty Draigo's a plaything of Tzeentch and Slaanesh I wouldn't be sure of Nurgle (remember, the bad man burned Papa's flower bed) or Khorne (c'mon spilling the blood of a very worthy opponent), so I'd still think it's a half-half theory, maybe, Tzeentch and Slaanesh keeping him alive for sh*ts, giggles and the thrills, while Khorne and Nurgle sending their enraged minions against Kaldy. *cue Scooby-doo chase scene*
As the Khorne and Nurgle minions run away from Draigo?