Shikiller. Shiki made as an immortal protector of Arc. I think he's a usage of her reality marble? I can't remember. I think he started as a doujin, but then Takeuchi has made a real sketch so maybe he's canon now in an alternate universe?
He wears the blindfold because the glasses are no longer sufficient to even slow down his eyes. He perceives the death of everything now. If he took it off he might just sink into the earth and cut it with his feet, or something.
Close, but incorrect on some counts. This version of Shiki (nicknamed Satsujinki by the Dead Apostle Ancestors, and others) is from "Talk.", a short-story epilogue to Tsukihime that Nasu published. He's not immortal, but he'd gladly give his life to protect Arc if necessary, because he loves her.
You're right about the glasses not working anymore, but the reason he wears the bandages to block his sight is because using the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception (which he cannot turn off) can cause brain damage if the user perceives the "death" of something too alien to him. Since they're strong enough now that the glasses no longer block them, they can perceive the "death" of just about everything he sees at all times, and so this would prove fatal to Shiki. Looking at Archer with the Eyes would certainly kill him.
It's hinted at in Character Material that this information will play a part in an upcoming sequel to Tsukihime.
Servants aren't allowed to lose against Shiki because they have so much internalized mana. Even if Shiki does kill him, there's a mana bomb suicide device if he gets 'killed' the way Shiki would do it.
Dr_Fine_Rolo said: (Best Master/Servant, any epoch: Arc/Assassin Shiki)
Should Shiki ever end up a heroic servant..... He'd be rather awesome (Considering how a servant is in all regards better than they were in life...), especially as an assassin class... he'd be perfect for that...since I doubt he'd look that threating at a glance.... until he suprises the enemy master. For all I know Shiki might made such a deal with Gaia to free Arc from her fate, thus such a state.)
I don't think anybody cares what Nasu says at this point. The fans are never going to stop pairing the Tsukihime and FSN characters up against each other because there's too much undiluted badassness cooped up in the Nasuverse as a whole; everyone wants to see an epic clash like this one, or something equally awesome like Gilgamesh vs Ciel, and Nasu's declarations on how, for instance, Arc is six times more powerful than a Servant (or whatever it is he says) just ruins all the fun.
I think it's said full power Arc is equal to 6 servants.... I think as she is usually, about 4 typical ones would be a even match... and Gil? I think if he got serious, he could give her a run for her money. Now a battle of Archer vs Assasin (Shiki) would not be creatable... it'd be too awesome.
Satsujinki can kill them. Ryougi can kill them too.
Satsujinki (human) would kill himself by seeing them though. Killing 5th war Archer's weapons would probably be simple for him, though. I think that Ryougi wouldn't die seeing them, but she'd still die in the mana-bomb.
Don't forget he's an accomplished fighter without considering the eyes.
Emporer-Wakamoto said: The day Negi hits puberty is the day the world ends
hahahaha that is true i mean its like he never ages in the seires(manga) ya know? and as for this badass pic of epicness i havent seen shiki in action otehr then in the cd maps on warcaft 3 and even then he was pretty epici n how fast hed kill something useing that abilty to cut the thread of a targets existance(?) im probly wrong on that however but in archers case i realy dont know how shiki would fare i mean archer is realy good at 1v1 combat so it would be one hell of a fight
Archer has a number of abilities Shiki doesn't have, namely some really kickass ranged combat techniques. Unless Shiki can cut the lines on Hrunting or Caladbolg Zwei in mid-flight he's going to have some serious issues. In melee it's a little bit more of a toss-up.
Comartemis said: Archer has a number of abilities Shiki doesn't have, namely some really kickass ranged combat techniques. Unless Shiki can cut the lines on Hrunting or Caladbolg Zwei in mid-flight he's going to have some serious issues. In melee it's a little bit more of a toss-up.
Satsujinki definitely can. Not only is he armed with Plot Armor, he has the Mystic Eyes of Hax Perception.
Do you realy think shiki can destroy a noble phantasm. Even if he succeeds cutting the dots on it he would be destroyed as well. Don't forget that noble phantasms (just like servants) have large portion of mana stored in it. So it would be insane to do it unless you wan't to cought in the manabomb. (Think what happens if he cuts exaliber dots??, probaly the hole city would blew up at the least.....)
Well, The Servants are damn fast. It's crazy enough for Shirou to be able to keep up with them(thanks to the weapon knownledge hax). I bet even the Nanaya training and blood is far from enough to beat a Heroic Spirit(with godlike fighting experience). Not to mention I don't know how could Shiki survive a hit from Excalibur:p(the only possible candidates for surviving Excalibur's direct hit are only Altrouge, Arcueid,Ciel before Roa's death and Gilgamesh with Ea)
@willyvereb add Ryougi Shiki to that list, she can "kill" the excalibur attack, technically she can kill everything. ....wait, can she kill her power too then (the MEoDP)?
She can, but the problem is that she's still a normal human technically and has her limitations. And only 3rd personality Ryougi can kill concepts and alike with usch ease...and she's still a mere human in terms of skill. Sword skills of Ryougi(3)= Fujimura Taiga's kendo skills. Which isn't bad, but still at human level. Ryougi(3), according to Nasu can fight defensively against an average Servant for a while. This is with the inclusion of the abilities of MEoDP. Servants are just that damn skillful and fast.
Anyway, let me clear up a few points made earlier.
Tohno Shiki's eyes, the MEoDP, cannot be turned off, and still work even if he can't see. As such, Satsujinki is not wearing normal bandages to block his sight, but a Burial Cloth that seals his eyes. If he just closed his eyes he would still see the lines and dots.
No matter how much you look at it, Servants will beat both Shikis, even Satsujinki. Ryougi can most likely erase Noble Phantasms, but in terms of power and speed, she's clearly outmatched. Her third personality would help to make things more even, but fat chance of that happening, since Ryougi herself doesn't want it to come out again.
Arcueid can beat most Servants with ease, but against Gilgamesh, it's a tossup. If Gil takes her seriously and GoB spams her while charging up Enuma Elish from the beginning, she's screwed. If Arcueid immediately does Marble Phantasm when he's not taking her seriously, he's screwed. Gil is really overpowered for a Servant, it's not even funny.
About the above post that Shiki can ask Sorcerers to help (I'm assuming Aoko and Zelretch) they wouldn't be able to do much against Servants either. Aoko is severely outclassed by Caster, as Fast Cast vs. Divine Words, Caster's Divine Words wins by a long shot. And for Zelretch, he's outclassed in terms of magic as well, though I'm not too sure. The Jeweled Sword may help, but a full power Excaliblast would most likely beat it, and an Ea blast would definitely win.
Conclusion: Servants beat MEoDP users. Now if there was a Servant with the MEoDP, and thus had no limit to what his eyes could see the death of, then that would be WAY overpowered. Sad though, that Shiki would never be able to become a Servant, since he lives in a time where heroic deeds are long dead.
Oh and before I forget, the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception do not "kill" things. They erase concepts. That's why Ryougi can get rid of a disease with her eyes, and why Tohno Shiki can eliminate poison. When an MEoDP user kills something, they invoke the concept of "Death" in that object or person. Nero Chaos was erased because his death was in the form of one object, one body, thus was able to be eliminated without having to eliminate all of the creatures he had inside of him. Which is also why Ryougi cannot see lines on Arcuied Archetype Earth in MB: Actress Again, because she has no concept of death. No concept of death, means she cannot be erased by the MEoDP. So, even though the eyes seem awesome, in a world filled with awesomeness (the Nasuverse) the eyes aren't that great against Servants and the higher beings, not to mention the Types themselves.
Anyway, let me clear up a few points made earlier.
Tohno Shiki's eyes, the MEoDP, cannot be turned off, and still work even if he can't see. As such, Satsujinki is not wearing normal bandages to block his sight, but a Burial Cloth that seals his eyes. If he just closed his eyes he would still see the lines and dots.
No matter how much you look at it, Servants will beat both Shikis, even Satsujinki. Ryougi can most likely erase Noble Phantasms, but in terms of power and speed, she's clearly outmatched. Her third personality would help to make things more even, but fat chance of that happening, since Ryougi herself doesn't want it to come out again.
Arcueid can beat most Servants with ease, but against Gilgamesh, it's a tossup. If Gil takes her seriously and GoB spams her while charging up Enuma Elish from the beginning, she's screwed. If Arcueid immediately does Marble Phantasm when he's not taking her seriously, he's screwed. Gil is really overpowered for a Servant, it's not even funny.
About the above post that Shiki can ask Sorcerers to help (I'm assuming Aoko and Zelretch) they wouldn't be able to do much against Servants either. Aoko is severely outclassed by Caster, as Fast Cast vs. Divine Words, Caster's Divine Words wins by a long shot. And for Zelretch, he's outclassed in terms of magic as well, though I'm not too sure. The Jeweled Sword may help, but a full power Excaliblast would most likely beat it, and an Ea blast would definitely win.
Conclusion: Servants beat MEoDP users. Now if there was a Servant with the MEoDP, and thus had no limit to what his eyes could see the death of, then that would be WAY overpowered. Sad though, that Shiki would never be able to become a Servant, since he lives in a time where heroic deeds are long dead.
Oh and before I forget, the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception do not "kill" things. They erase concepts. That's why Ryougi can get rid of a disease with her eyes, and why Tohno Shiki can eliminate poison. When an MEoDP user kills something, they invoke the concept of "Death" in that object or person. Nero Chaos was erased because his death was in the form of one object, one body, thus was able to be eliminated without having to eliminate all of the creatures he had inside of him. Which is also why Ryougi cannot see lines on Arcuied Archetype Earth in MB: Actress Again, because she has no concept of death. No concept of death, means she cannot be erased by the MEoDP. So, even though the eyes seem awesome, in a world filled with awesomeness (the Nasuverse) the eyes aren't that great against Servants and the higher beings, not to mention the Types themselves.
It's worth mentioning that Zelretch helped create the Grail itself. It's also worth mentioning that in the "Nasu Verse", it is assumed that Zelretch can play out each and every possiblity. What servant CAN'T he defeat? Unless he was fighting a servant stronger than Type-Moon himself, there's no way he would lose.
Nanaya7 said: It's worth mentioning that Zelretch helped create the Grail itself. It's also worth mentioning that in the "Nasu Verse", it is assumed that Zelretch can play out each and every possiblity. What servant CAN'T he defeat? Unless he was fighting a servant stronger than Type-Moon himself, there's no way he would lose.
Zel is also stated to have lost a lot of power since his youth, and apparently he can't use his sorcery like he used to. I'd still peg him as one of the most powerful N-verse characters around, but not in a straight-up fight; his strength would probably be in manipulating things so a bunch of heroes gang up on whoever he needs killed and do the job for him. Then again he's still a dead apostle ancestor even without his sorcery...
CLOWn-bABY said: And you all forget the fact that arcuied is supporting him and it is 2 against 1.
What, while she's all chained up on the throne? I'm pretty sure that means she's hibernating.
Yay to me for ansering to a 1-year old discussion.
What's this rambling about how Satsujinki can't look at Archer? He looked at a 800-year old phantasm race creature/forest which nullifies all magic and abilities, an existence which is on par with sorcery, and was perfectly fine. It's a much more difficult concept to grasp. And if Shiro was fast enough to at least exchange/block blows with Archer and Lancer, Shiki can too. Not to speak of Satsujinki.
About Zeltrech and Aoko loosing...pardon me, but the Jeweled Sword is definitely not Zeltrech's only weapon. He actually beat a Type-being, servants can't even begin to compare. And I doubt Aoko which Arcueid called a bigger monster than herself would have any problems too. Also, Medea can only pull of that rapid fire she showed in FSN when she is in her atelier.
About Arcuein vs Gilgamesh, it's also very clear if Arc didn't use up any power before the fight. Even in her weakened state did she reduce Roa to nothing but his ankles by creating vacuum around him. Unlike Arc, Gilgamesh won't survive being reduced to mincemeat. Her Reality Marble isn't as restricted as for example UBW. She can alter anything which belongs to nature. Even Gilgamesh can't defend himself against instant death through vacuum or the air around him turning into lava etc.
I know, old and dead discussion, but I have to comment at this:
Farran said: Sad though, that Shiki would never be able to become a Servant, since he lives in a time where heroic deeds are long dead.
Shirou-
ARCHER'S very existence disproves this statement.
Consider that a character that doesn't even exist (yes, even in the Nasuverse) could become a Servant, how much less a person with the soul of a Heroic Spirit?...
Kuji-kiri said: About Arcuein vs Gilgamesh, it's also very clear if Arc didn't use up any power before the fight. Even in her weakened state did she reduce Roa to nothing but his ankles by creating vacuum around him. Unlike Arc, Gilgamesh won't survive being reduced to mincemeat. Her Reality Marble isn't as restricted as for example UBW. She can alter anything which belongs to nature. Even Gilgamesh can't defend himself against instant death through vacuum or the air around him turning into lava etc.
I dunno, like it's been said, if Gilgamesh unleashed an Full Powered Enuma Elish right at Arc at the beginning, an attack which "is capable of completely shattering a Reality Marble from the inside, and sending armies of enemies into oblivion." and since "the maximum output causes a true distortion of space to be opened. Halting the laws of the universe with its power, it creates a rip that extends from the earth to the sky that pierces the world itself. It is a true "anti-world" weapon that opens an abyss capable of crushing all of creation and returning it to nothingness. The wind pressure creates a vacuum that takes all things with form, the land, and the sky into the whirling void leaving nothing but Ea shining like a star of creation looking onto a new world while signaling the end of destruction. "
i have to say....seems pretty damn even to me...considering, a technique that effectively cleaves reality into two, and the only other skill which does something similar -slash emporer- was used to slash through Type-Jupiter, and kill Type-Saturn....but i digress, i'm only arguing the validity of the claim that Arcueid Vs Gilgamesh would be a toss up.
Farran said: And for Zelretch, he's outclassed in terms of magic as well, though I'm not too sure. The Jeweled Sword may help, but a full power Excaliblast would most likely beat it, and an Ea blast would definitely win.
Er. He took out Brunestud. Type-Moon. Himself. If Type-Moon, the originator of all True Ancestors, couldn't beat Zelretch, how in the hell could any Servant even touch him? Even Gil would lose that fight. Full-power Enuma Elish or Excalibur strikes? Yeah, fine, if Gil or Saber even get a chance to draw their swords. Zelretch is pretty much King Shit. Even an Aristoteles couldn't beat him. A relatively weak Aristoteles, yeah, but an Aristoteles nonetheless.
Fluffz0rs said: Er. He took out Brunestud. Type-Moon. Himself. If Type-Moon, the originator of all True Ancestors, couldn't beat Zelretch, how in the hell could any Servant even touch him? Even Gil would lose that fight. Full-power Enuma Elish or Excalibur strikes? Yeah, fine, if Gil or Saber even get a chance to draw their swords. Zelretch is pretty much King Shit. Even an Aristoteles couldn't beat him. A relatively weak Aristoteles, yeah, but an Aristoteles nonetheless.
Do take note however that Zelretch is too old for the type of power that he exhibited in his youth. He cannot transverse parallel worlds often anymore because of that very reason.
But seriously, this discussion of who would beat who is rather pointless.
It's a toss up. Archer could rain an unless (you know the unlimited part of Unlimited Blade Works isn't for show) while Shiki would just destroy them all. The Broken Phantasm proves that Noble Phantasms can be broken, adding to that is the fact that traced weapons are weaker than the original. So unless Archer shot him from far away with something like Calborg or used something like Excalibur it would just be a tie.
zephel said: I dunno, like it's been said, if Gilgamesh unleashed an Full Powered Enuma Elish right at Arc at the beginning, an attack which "is capable of completely shattering a Reality Marble from the inside, and sending armies of enemies into oblivion." and since "the maximum output causes a true distortion of space to be opened. Halting the laws of the universe with its power, it creates a rip that extends from the earth to the sky that pierces the world itself. It is a true "anti-world" weapon that opens an abyss capable of crushing all of creation and returning it to nothingness. The wind pressure creates a vacuum that takes all things with form, the land, and the sky into the whirling void leaving nothing but Ea shining like a star of creation looking onto a new world while signaling the end of destruction. "
Gilgamesh doesn't stand a chance against a serious 100% Arcueid. He might be able to win against a weakened her if he is taking her seriously. But at full power she wouldn't even need to move to kill him. With her mental energies at full power, she can easily cut his arm off with her imagination, when she sees he is holding a weapon. Also take speed into account, at 30% she already has the stats of 2 Servants, at full power she'll easily be able to move at mach 10 (hypersonic +) or faster, so her speed movements and reaction time are far above Servants, and GoB's speed is around mach 2 at most.
Not to mention that Nasu stated that Arc can create a city on the mountains with her Marble Phantasm, from that we can already tell that her range is that of at least a city, so she is a city buster at least. Weapons like Ea and Excalibur cannot destroy a whole city in one hit.
Also, Gil didn't kill all of Alex's soldiers. Since the soldiers weren't the ones maintaining the Reality Marble, he just killed a bunch of them, then RM collapsed on its own.
Not to mention that Nasu stated that Arc can create a city on the mountains with her Marble Phantasm, from that we can already tell that her range is that of at least a city, so she is a city buster at least. Weapons like Ea and Excalibur cannot destroy a whole city in one hit.
Ea Can cause its an anti world noble phantasm (excalibur cant because is an anti fortress) and herpe (perseus sword like scythe wich gil also has) can kill arc because of the refraction of inmortality that of course if she dodges it because its unblocklable
Ea didn't destroy the city in H/A, and Gil wasn't holding back. The weapon is classified as anti-world because of the legend of ripping the world, this is stated in CM3. And frankly, claiming that Harpe can kill Arc when things like the MEoDP can't is a No Limits Fallacy, considering her immortality is so perfect death doesn't exist within her.
Sephiroth_Angel said: Ea didn't destroy the city in H/A, and Gil wasn't holding back. The weapon is classified as anti-world because of the legend of ripping the world, this is stated in CM3. And frankly, claiming that Harpe can kill Arc when things like the MEoDP can't is a No Limits Fallacy, considering her immortality is so perfect death doesn't exist within her.
Somewhat incorrect. Ea is classified as Anti-World because it destroys all of reality within the targeted area ("the world" here refers to reality itself). Ea would obliterate Arc because it says "F*ck You" to Gaia itself. Gil is just that ridiculously haxx. That said, Arc would wreck most Servants and if she could just get into melee range she'd destroy Gil.
I love how people waste so many arguments on this when the author himself said Shiki can't beat Servants. Get over it, the creator himself said Tohno is just too outclassed. Maybe if he was a Servant himself (I agree with those who say he'd make for a badass Assassin Servant and I'd love to see a fanfic that does this), but as a flesh-and-blood human being he just doesn't measure up to their physical stats. Having a one-hit kill means nothing if you can't land the attack before your enemy takes you apart like a cheap watch.
As for Harpe, no clue what would happen there if it was used on Arc (it worked on Medusa and she was a former goddess but I would say Arc is well above even goddess Medusa so probably it would have no effect on her), but Nasu himself said Gae Bolg would kill Arc unless her luck made it miss (to be fair though, he was probably referring to Arc during the daytime).
In the Nasuverse, the pecking order is: 1. Aristoteles (of which Arc is technically one due to her connection to Gaia and, arguably, so is Primate Murder)
2. Sorcerors (like Zelretch and Aoko)/Top-tier Dead Apostle Ancestors (but only the strongest or the ones that can't be killed normally like Wallachia and Chaos)/Servants
3. Everything else
Its important to note that even the strongest of the top two tiers can theoretically lose to weaker beings (even Aristoteles can lose to humans if the humans have something like the Black Barrel), but that is usually only under unusual circumstances.
Not quite sure where the A-Rays and Ether Liners fit in there though.
You know I feel as though Shiki isn't fighting Archer, the servant that Rin summons in F/SN, but rather Shirou Emiya from the Fate or UBW route, probably Fate. Shirou, despite being said by Nasu that the probability of him becoming Archer is slim to none, will probably end up looking and sounding like Archer in the end of Fate and probably UBW as well. He might not have Archer's mindset, but he'd probably have his smarta$$ness though.
When I look at this picture I feel like Shirou needs something from Arc, probably her blood or something, however her comes Gate Guardian Shiki stepping in like "You shall not pass."