You'd say no to free gold certs and tokens for a operator who can otherwise only get them from story progression?
I wouldn't say no to free gold certs, but if I'm going to get gold certs anyway I'd rather it be someone else.
Only obtainable from story progression does not make her any rarer if anything you actually got a bad roll because said unit can already be obtained from another source with a 100% guarantee, when for the same amount of resource you could have gotten gold certs along with a new 5star.
Unless she gets a talent update that can make her shine above the rest soon, at this point Amiya is the same as Grani.
You E2 her, you max potential her, you 200% trust her and never touch her again because there are other units who can fill the same role with much superior performance-to-cost ratio. coughEyjafjallarandVignacough
I wouldn't say no to free gold certs, but if I'm going to get gold certs anyway I'd rather it be someone else, because unless she get some talent update soon Amiya is basically the same as Grani.
You E2 her, you max potential her, you 200% trust her and never touch again because there are other Ops who can fill their shoes with much superior performance. coughEyjafjallarandVignacough
so harsh lmao, but true to me too. she's the mash of the game but still usable when your needing a 2nd arts... but volcano chan has no issue doing everything herself :X
so harsh lmao, but true to me too. she's the mash of the game but still usable when your needing a 2nd arts... but volcano chan has no issue doing everything herself :X
Not to mention her two late skills has too high risk-to-reward ratio that you wonder why would you even use them in the first place.
+S2, dps burst, but require 100sp while start with no initial sp. Attack random target so extremely finnicky unless you use her strictly for boss but it's an auto trigget so good luck trying to time that.
+S3, again, 120sp cost with no initial sp, still attack only 1 target. Massive atk spike that ignore def and res and range increase is cool, but why the fuck do you need a 25%hp increase when you're a caster and especially when you're just going to get forcibly retreated when skill ends anyway?
+S3, again, 120sp cost with no initial sp, still attack only 1 target. Massive atk spike that ignore def and res and range increase is cool, but why the fuck do you need a 25%hp increase when you're a caster and especially when you're just going to get forcibly retreated when skill ends anyway?
It's seemingly intended for boss killing, so that HP boost is probably intended to survive long enough for the skill to complete and auto retreat to come into play.
+S2, dps burst, but require 100sp while start with no initial sp. Attack random target so extremely finnicky unless you use her strictly for boss but it's an auto trigget so good luck trying to time that.
This skill is basically useless for bosses, almost all of them have 50+ RES, it's a mob cleaner. The stun drawback is practically irrelevant at E2, 10 seconds is barely any downtime at all, and her E2 Talent allows her to activate the skill much more often. The random targeting barely matters in practice, anything with low or no RES will get shredded before it would be a problem. Easily her best skill, despite the cost to make it shine.
Not saying this makes her amazing, but people harp on the drawbacks of her skills too much, they're not nearly as bad as people assume, and they're not that hard to work around.
It's seemingly intended for boss killing, so that HP boost is probably intended to survive long enough for the skill to complete and auto retreat to come into play.
Her skill does no self-harm whatsoever and you'd want a tank to take the punishment not a caster so really, the hp boost is extremely useless since she does not benefit a single thing from it and forced retreat still kick in regardless of sustained damage when skill ends anyway
blindVigil said:
This skill is basically useless for bosses, almost all of them have 50+ RES, it's a mob cleaner. The stun drawback is practically irrelevant at E2, 10 seconds is barely any downtime at all, and her E2 Talent allows her to activate the skill much more often. The random targeting barely matters in practice, anything with low or no RES will get shredded before it would be a problem. Easily her best skill, despite the cost to make it shine.
Not saying this makes her amazing, but people harp on the drawbacks of her skills too much, they're not nearly as bad as people assume, and they're not that hard to work around.
even worse if it's inteded purpose is to clear mobs, you'd want something that can reliably take them out or at least consistent in dps and performance to make the call of whether a sub-dps is required or not. Worst of all, it's an auto trigger that attacks randomly meaning you do not have control over it.
This one run she killed all the passing through flying drones first, but what's to say the next run she won't just outright ignore them? This one run she merced down the mobs escorting the boss so other dps can focus on the boss, but what's to say on the next run she instead focus the boss which only annoy them and the tank get zer rushed by the mob instead?
what I'm saying is that her performance is too damn inconsistent on top of already high risk-to-reward ratio that you wonder why would you'd even consider her an option when other, clearly better alternatives exist?
This one run she killed all the passing through flying drones first, but what's to say the next run she won't just outright ignore them? This one run she merced down the mobs escorting the boss so other dps can focus on the boss, but what's to say on the next run she instead focus the boss which only annoy them and the tank get zer rushed by the mob instead?
If drones are getting through, there's a problem with your snipers. If you're relying on casters to clean up after your snipers failed to stop drones, you should be worried about the snipers. If your defender(s) are getting overwhelmed by mobs then your DPS is lacking, and Amiya probably isn't the sole factor of that. Her S2 landing most or all of its shots on a single target consistently is also pretty low odds.
what I'm saying is that her performance is too damn inconsistent on top of already high risk-to-reward ratio that you wonder why would you'd even consider her an option when other, clearly better alternatives exist?
Well you need to have the better alternatives, and there's only two single target casters in EN that are as good as or better than Amiya. You severely underestimate Amiya and overstate her weaknesses. As someone who doesn't have the better ST casters, I use Amiya, and consistency has never been a problem with her. If you're relying on one specific unit to not fuck things up, then there's probably more holes in your strategy than just Amiya's "inconsistency."
Have you even used her? Like, extensively? Or are you just theorizing worst case scenarios to prove she's the worst caster in the game?
If drones are getting through, there's a problem with your snipers. If you're relying on casters to clean up after your snipers failed to stop drones, you should be worried about the snipers. If your defender(s) are getting overwhelmed by mobs then your DPS is lacking, and Amiya probably isn't the sole factor of that. Her S2 landing most or all of its shots on a single target consistently is also pretty low odds.
Well you need to have the better alternatives, and there's only two single target casters in EN that are as good as or better than Amiya. You severely underestimate Amiya and overstate her weaknesses. As someone who doesn't have the better ST casters, I use Amiya, and consistency has never been a problem with her. If you're relying on one specific unit to not fuck things up, then there's probably more holes in your strategy than just Amiya's "inconsistency."
Have you even used her? Like, extensively? Or are you just theorizing worst case scenarios to prove she's the worst caster in the game?
I have her E2 and have been using her until last month when she has proven to cost me more than I gain from her except for when I use exclusively her S1 so yes, I have used her extensively, and the drone things is supposed to be an analogy not an actual example of my failure
what I'm getting at here is that she has the potential to be good, but in very, very niche situation and even then better pray to RNG that it goes well enough. If that's the case I might as well double down on Haze and Durin but I know that I can have peace of mind
She's not the worst caster and I don't expect her to outshine even the 6star Ops like a mascot character supposed to be, but the reality is that she doesn't even shine as much as a mascot character supposed to be either. Just like Kar98k but after the sniper skill rework, she's actually decent now
Yeah, no, you are literally the only person I've talked to that invested in her and cries that RNG fucks her too hard. Her S3 is niche, but her S2 is not, and if its randomness is actually a problem then you're trying to use Amiya in situations you would be using an AOE unit anyway. Or the whole strategy is flawed to begin with. She's the second best ST caster in EN, only Eyja matches her and Amiya still might have her beat in raw DPS.
Yeah, no, you are literally the only person I've talked to that invested in her and cries that RNG fucks her too hard. Her S3 is niche, but her S2 is not, and if its randomness is actually a problem then you're trying to use Amiya in situations you would be using an AOE unit anyway. Or the whole strategy is flawed to begin with. She's the second best ST caster in EN, only Eyja matches her and Amiya still might have her beat in raw DPS.
Guess you just haven't been talking to enough people then. At the very least it means I have actually invested in a unit to see their pros and cons to be able to conclude that she's bad, and that's saying something. And yes, that's exactly what I've been doing. Sacrificing cost-efficiency, place Gitano in her place, get complete performance-consistency in return. Both single target and mob-clearing wise.
For that last statement, I must wholly disagree. Difference in rarity and stats cap aside, in no way can AMiya out dps Eyja. Single target, perhaps, a decent-sized perhaps. AoE dps, not a snowball chance in hell.
DammitCarl said: And yes, that's exactly what I've been doing. Sacrificing cost-efficiency, place Gitano in her place, get complete performance-consistency in return. Both single target and mob-clearing wise.
That is exactly what I'm talking about. Of course Amiya is going to fail if you're using her in situations where Gitano is ideal. You can't even compare a ST caster to an AOE caster, because they do completely different jobs.
No way in hell Gitano is the better single target choice, weaker damage, slower attack rate, that statement just stinks of bias. Gitano barely beats out Durin in ST DPS. Even Steward would do better, and wouldn't cost an arm and a leg to deploy.
You're insane if you think Amiya is bad, especially if it's because you expect her to clear mobs like an AOE unit and shoot down drones your Snipers couldn't stop, when casters don't even prioritize drones over ground units in the first place.
I feel like the biggest advantage Amiya has is the lack of competition. There's not many other single target casters. I'm F2P, and aside from Amiya, the only ST casters I have are Steward, Haze, and Nightmare. Steward I've done nothing with. Haze kills her hp for dps, and nightmare is more situational. Granted, I'm not a fan of the ones like her and Mash, but eh.
blindVigil said: You're insane if you think Amiya is bad, especially if it's because you expect her to clear mobs like an AOE unit and shoot down drones your Snipers couldn't stop, when casters don't even prioritize drones over ground units in the first place.
And you'd be insane to think Amiya can out dps Eyja with her randomness and a clunky-ass S3. By the time Amiya can even proc any of her skill Eyja would've already wiped the map with her S3 and would already be well over halfway charged for another round. And guess what, she attacks up to 3 random targets at once and doesn't get force retreated like a certain someone, eat your heart out on that.
Again, the drone thing is supposed to be an anology. Again, I am not expecting her to outshine other units like a mascot character supposed to be, I am simply expecting her to do her goddamn job which she can't even because once she proc her S2 her attention span is akin to a freaking goldfish
And you'd be insane to think Amiya can out dps Eyja with her randomness and a clunky-ass S3. By the time Amiya can even proc any of her skill Eyja would've already wiped the map with her S3 and would already be well over halfway charged for another round. And guess what, she attacks up to 3 random targets at once and doesn't get force retreated like a certain someone, eat your heart out on that.
Again, the drone thing is supposed to be an anology. Again, I am not expecting her to outshine other units like a mascot character supposed to be, I am simply expecting her to do her goddamn job which she can't even because once she proc her S2 her attention span is akin to a freaking goldfish
Firstly, your drone thing was not an analogy, it was a hypothetical of two similar situations, one success and one failure. A very uncommon scenario that would be a problem for any caster since they don't prioritize drones over ground units and the game rarely demands that you use casters to fight drones. It was pointless.
Secondly, there's no point comparing an AOE skill or unit to someone primarily designed for single target use, of course Eyja is going to win if she's hitting three times as many enemies. She's not going to win if she's only hitting one, especially if it's your average boss with 50 RES.
Finally, Amiya does do her job, as far as free units go she's far better than the trash these games usually stick you with. Your problem seems to be that you're dead set on using a single target caster to do the job of an AOE caster and being surprised when it doesn't work. It's almost like she wasn't designed to take on large groups of enemies by herself.
since the first instance of using it I have looked up the definition so haha, screw you it's an analogy whether you like it or not.
You're right, I also don't need to accept your opinion. You use Amiya, she treats you well, then more power to you. I also do, but her inconsistency has fuck me up more times than she gives me the carrot, despite all the trial and error and my patience, so to me she sucks a big fat wiener, end of story.
from what you've said, and who you keep comparing amiya to, you clearly aren't using her properly since you keep comparing her to *AOE CASTERS* which she isn't one, even with S2 which is a 6 hit *random targeting attack" it does bad damage against mobs but will shred single targets. I think you missed that part of her skill description.