Vaikyuko said: Why would you say that? I've never seen Hollows use zanpakutou, except for the Arrancar, and he's certainly not one of them.
It's just a technical thing, and to be honest, I don't see any reason to change it.
Exactly. If it should say anything, it should say Arrancar. He definitely isn't a Vaizard. A Vaizard has the ability to control their Hollow form - at this stage, Ichigo has absolutely no control his Hollow form.
Yukimora... His hole was made by the 4th espada.. remember? He got his butt kicked and then got stabbed. Also. he's not full hollow, notice how his body didn't change? He's only using mask, yet he has no control over it because it's like a second form I guess. Well whatever.. doesn't matter. It's just badass! Rofl.
Let's take a good look at this. Hands are claws. Distinct human form. Hollow hole, notice it's a perfect hole, not just a gaping wound and it was drawn correctly. Zanpaktu. No real personality. Neither of Ichigo or his Hollow. His hollow has been known to talk trash. This form didn't even do that. Don't say Vizard, they don't have a hole. Don't say arrancar, for if so then this would be a released form, since he has definitely gain parts of his hollow form, and his zanpaktu wouldn't be present. What is this form then? Something completely different! Hell, we didn't know about Arrancar and Vizard till they showed up. And before that we thought Ichigo was some strange freak. Guess what, he still is some strange freak and he achieved a form that probably only 2 characters know about, Aizen and Urahara. Look at him. It's like he has all defining traits of both Hollows and Shinigami. Vizard and Arrancar are just one with a sprinkling of the other. This is a full merger.
Daen1304 said: Let's take a good look at this. Hands are claws. Distinct human form. Hollow hole, notice it's a perfect hole, not just a gaping wound and it was drawn correctly. Zanpaktu. No real personality. Neither of Ichigo or his Hollow. His hollow has been known to talk trash. This form didn't even do that. Don't say Vizard, they don't have a hole. Don't say arrancar, for if so then this would be a released form, since he has definitely gain parts of his hollow form, and his zanpaktu wouldn't be present. What is this form then? Something completely different! Hell, we didn't know about Arrancar and Vizard till they showed up. And before that we thought Ichigo was some strange freak. Guess what, he still is some strange freak and he achieved a form that probably only 2 characters know about, Aizen and Urahara. Look at him. It's like he has all defining traits of both Hollows and Shinigami. Vizard and Arrancar are just one with a sprinkling of the other. This is a full merger.
I still say he's full Hollow here. There was one Hollow Ichigos dad killed that was using a Zanpakuto, if I recall correctly.
Daen is right. Thats pretty much proof thats a Hollow, I think. He really isn't a Vaizard - the hole made by Ulquiorra was ripped and jagged. It was a Cero hole. He was DEAD there. He came back with the Hollow hole. =\
Ulquiorra made the hole both times. First time Orihime heals him at near death, second time he dies but comes back hollowfied to save Orihime. He kills Ulqui nearly kills Ishida. Why? Because he was dead. He died but came back because he could not move on, because of his intention to save Orihime. Funny enough ofter he kills Ulqui this is why he almost kills Ishida, the need to protect Orihime. The obsession when he died that hollowfied him. Case closed.
Guys, its obvious that this form of him is a Menos Grande-level Vizard but just couldn't himself, also
KurisuKurosu said: Ulquiorra made the hole both times. First time Orihime heals him at near death, second time he dies but comes back hollowfied to save Orihime. He kills Ulqui nearly kills Ishida. Why? Because he was dead. He died but came back because he could not move on, because of his intention to save Orihime. Funny enough ofter he kills Ulqui this is why he almost kills Ishida, the need to protect Orihime. The obsession when he died that hollowfied him. Case closed.
Yep, this is pretty much why he transformed. He died, but Orihime kept calling out for him to come back to save her, and his strong resolution to come back to her, caused him to awaken into this deaded form. Like its the first time we've seen Ichigo "bend" the rules of the Spirit World...(for example, he awakened his Bankai in 3 days, while Captains take like 100 years...)
sanada_yukimora said: I still say he's full Hollow here. There was one Hollow Ichigos dad killed that was using a Zanpakuto, if I recall correctly.
Daen is right. Thats pretty much proof thats a Hollow, I think. He really isn't a Vaizard - the hole made by Ulquiorra was ripped and jagged. It was a Cero hole. He was DEAD there. He came back with the Hollow hole. =\
How is this even a debate? Its obvious, lol.
That wasn't my point, my point is that we can not classify him just yet. Because I claim it has never been seen before. Let's put it this way. Vizard = 75%Shinigami/25%Hollow, Arrancar = 25%Shinigami/75%Hollow, This thing = 50%Shinigami/50%Hollow. Least that's my take on it.
Niiba said: Guys, its obvious that this form of him is a Menos Grande-level Vizard but just couldn't himself, also
Yep, this is pretty much why he transformed. He died, but Orihime kept calling out for him to come back to save her, and his strong resolution to come back to her, caused him to awaken into this deaded form. Like its the first time we've seen Ichigo "bend" the rules of the Spirit World...(for example, he awakened his Bankai in 3 days, while Captains take like 100 years...)
Urahara did it in 3days too using the same method because he invented it.
Uraharas awesome. But don't use logic here, because it's Kubo were talking about. Ichigo could have just been like that, because Kubo thought it was cool. I doubt the true explanation is that deep.
This pic is a another great example when the an anime character has the condition of "protagonist" and gains unique abilities like screwing the rules from time to time.
According to the series, a Aranncar is simply a 'saved' Hollow, or an evolved hollow if you want to look at it like that. Then, the truly strong hollows can release themselves similar to a mask release of the Vizards. Then as you might know (spoiler alert) some of the Aranncar can even push the limit further to a stage 2 release, which I can't be arsed to look up the official name.
One could gather that Vizards have the same 'levels' of ability.
2nd Release Aranncar 1st Release Aranncar Aranncar Transformation Hollow (various levels of ability up to Bankai) Human (ability based on subjection to super natural things) Shinigami (various levels of ability up to Bankai) Vizard Transformation (conquering of his inner hollow) 1st Release Vizard 2nd Release Vizard
shinigamiefa said: This pic is a another great example when the an anime character has the condition of "protagonist" and gains unique abilities like screwing the rules from time to time.
"Who said there were rules?" as Kubo would probably have one of his characters say.
LMAO people your all kinda lost xD I hate BLEACH but know the story too it it's his full controlled form of his hollow power that he uses from his mask. It's like the arrancar thing that Grimmjow and Ulqiorro use but his is a hollowfication one. In other words he's full hollow with total control over what he's doing!
Daen pretty much hit this one on the head...ichigo's the son of Kurosaki Isshin(captain level or even higher maybe reiatsu) then he sucked up rukias powers, followed by his soul-link and soul-sleep being cut by byakuya, followed by him gaining his shinigami powers through urahara's method....Ichigo is DEFINITELY....SOMETHING...lol...id like to see him and kenpachi go at it again...ichi would pwn him in lie 1 shot...